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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:07 pm Post subject: Autonomous Interactive Intermediaries |
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http://web.media.mit.edu/~stefanm/research.html#AII
I NEED THE SQUIRREL!
Watch the videos!
(I can only imagine the cats totally freaking out when a call arrives)
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Everybody needs a bluetooth squirrel.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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When and where did this whole thing of using "her" as the personal pronoun for the user in technical writing start? Not that I object, just curious, seems to crop up more and more 
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's one way to be gender neutral (by simply balancing out the existing content that uses "him") without using the clunky "his or her" or "his/her".
If it seems visually jarring to read "her" for a nonspecific person rather than "him", that's kind of the point.
In tech writing we were taught to step around the entire issue and just pluralize all users, turning them into "them" and "their".
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Meh. Politically correct crap. People who'd actually be offended by the gender of an example user really need to consider growing up.
What's your phrase, Dvixen? Cattle wrangler of the male persuasion, I think? 
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Jeremy Reimer
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Magus wrote: |
Meh. Politically correct crap. People who'd actually be offended by the gender of an example user really need to consider growing up. |
That's one way of looking at it. Another way is to realize that language has a direct effect on our thinking, and we should be aware of how it works.
Our language evolved the way it did largely because of conventions in our society where women were excluded from almost every profession. While many of these exclusions have been broken down, the language remains, and with it, our thinking.
The point is not to offend people or be offended by the gender of an example user. The point is to make you think about why you might automatically assume that the example user is male.
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"Its not a rule. Its just something I noticed. Several of us have more than one sig." - Mord
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Since it's an example user who doesn't actually exist, I assume nothing about his existence. Words are powerful in their flexibility, and their meaning evolves with their users. Perhaps at one time there was gender exclusion inherent in language, but I'd like to think we've outgrown such exclusion. Deliberately making readers think of such exclusion argues otherwise.
Any time you draw attention to a division that once existed or still marginally exists, you're being divisive, even though the intent may be the complete opposite. Problems of this nature are already dying, so as our mothers used to say, "It'll never heal if you keep picking at it."
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<Paolo|Work> anything that has to do with Java is by definition stupid
1 The Network is my domain, I shall not want; 2 though it makes me wait upon collision, it leads me to the Internet; 3 it restores my connection. It leads me in paths of hypertext transfer for google's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of power failures, I fear no data corruption; for backups art with me; thy UPS and thy status light, they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a firewall before me in the presence of my enemies; thou anointest my CD-R with BurnProof, my buffer never underflows. 6 Surely good deals and pr0n shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the Datacenter for ever.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I can understand that point of view. In a world where sexism had been completely eradicated, I would probably support it wholeheartedly. However, as the pendulum seems to be swinging back in the wrong direction these days, I try to make the extra effort to be gender-neutral in my writing. Emphasis on try--I often forget.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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I find it somewhat appropriate to refer to heartless, souless, very expensive and time consuming projects as "her".
J/K 
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: |
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DuffMan wrote: |
I find it somewhat appropriate to refer to heartless, souless, very expensive and time consuming projects as "her". |
Winnar!
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Jay wrote: |
DuffMan wrote: |
I find it somewhat appropriate to refer to heartless, souless, very expensive and time consuming projects as "her". |
Winnar!
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rol!
And, just to play devil's advocate...
Jeremy wrote: |
However, as the pendulum seems to be swinging back in the wrong direction these days... |
Who says it's the wrong direction? Maybe we had it right the first time around?

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Who says it's the wrong direction? Maybe we had it right the first time around?
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Some may think so. I don't.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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We had the why do you have to put white/black in front of woman/man question come through on a call-in tv show the other day. And I wanted so bad to say, why call them woman/man, you are just describing, what's the big deal? As far as using her instead of him, I could give a rat's ass about. People making a big deal of it is what irritates me.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Some may think so. I don't.
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/me hands JR a humor-detection module 
If Hat actually said that in complete seriousness, I'm fairly sure MistressOfTheHat would gladly "discuss" it with him. 
Back to serious mode:
Again I say, calling attention to problems like these is tantamount to picking at a wound. You're NOT making things better, you're only irritating them.
Now, can we get back to the bluetooth critters?
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<Paolo|Work> anything that has to do with Java is by definition stupid
1 The Network is my domain, I shall not want; 2 though it makes me wait upon collision, it leads me to the Internet; 3 it restores my connection. It leads me in paths of hypertext transfer for google's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of power failures, I fear no data corruption; for backups art with me; thy UPS and thy status light, they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a firewall before me in the presence of my enemies; thou anointest my CD-R with BurnProof, my buffer never underflows. 6 Surely good deals and pr0n shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the Datacenter for ever.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have some duct tape to solve all your problems. Yeah?
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I had the distinct pleasure of watching Paolo act out the squirrel demo over lunch. |
That was good, eh?
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Sure, we 4 have a great day, leave the town a glowing wasteland, and all you two can talk about are the gorram squirrels! 
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, we 4 have a great day, leave the town a glowing wasteland, and all you two can talk about are the gorram squirrels!  |
You're just envious of Mrs. Mord spotting more squirrels than you!
I swear, she must communicate with them telephatically! They KNOW, I tell you!
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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She wasn't wearing Eau de Acorn was she? To the squirrelicular crowd, that's like liquid sex.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, we 4 have a great day, leave the town a glowing wasteland, and all you two can talk about are the gorram squirrels!  |
Well, I was very envious of the Jasjar. That was some nice jasjar.
And rhodedendrons. Lots of rhodedendrons.
The mocha was awesome. Even the rain wasn't altogether unwelcome.
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I forgot to show you both the coolest thing about my Lifedrive: the episodes of Firefly I put on there to watch during the flights.  |
Damn, that would have sold it to Dvixen!
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