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the twinkster · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:40 am Post subject:

Interesting tangent about Catholicism: if Alito is confirmed, five U.S. Supreme Court Justices will be Catholics.
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Thundar · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:55 am Post subject:

MasterOfTheHat · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:04 am Post subject:

FondueDaredevil · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:36 am Post subject:

the twinkster · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:39 am Post subject:

The Biblical timeline as I understand it is less than 10,000 years; 6,000 years is the number I most often hear from Young Earth Creationists. Radiocarbon dating is comparatively accurate out to approximately 50,000 years, which is fine, because it isn't used to date anything older than that. Radiocarbon dating is one of a variety of radiometric dating techniques that can be applied to date specimiens of varying ages (because of different decay curves for different isotopes).

Most importantly, radiometric dating methods correlate very well with known dates (tree rings, ice cores, historical specimens of known origin). In other words, everything we know points to radiometric methods being accurate when applied correctly.

Again, as I've been saying all along, if these theories were invalid, a number of the things we have come to rely on for our day-to-day existence simply wouldn't work. Radioactive decay curves are used for a lot more than just dating specimens. Hiroshima would still be standing if the principles of nuclear chemistry (of which radioactive decay is one) were flawed as fundamentally as some of those links claim.

Is it fine to believe that god created the Earth 10,000 years ago? It is. But that's not a belief that is supported evidentially -- and nor should it be, since that would in my view defeat the whole point of faith. Smile

That's part of why I'm not big on debating this issue (while I don't mind discussing it, that isn't the direction this thread has taken); it's arguing apples and oranges because religion and science are necessarily concerned with entirely separate aspects of our lives.

Added: FD hit the nail exactly on the head. Potassium/Argon is another of the major dating methods used, due to its ginormous half-life. Smile

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MasterOfTheHat · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:41 am Post subject:

And for Homo erectus:
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_05.html
http://www.northave.org/MGManual/Earlyman/Eman1.htm
http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/emcon.htm

And so on...

So, from this we see that the "evolution of man" pictures that Riso posted are still highly debated. There is nothing that I've seen that says that we know for sure that some those fossils are not exinct apes and the others are just diseased humans or humans from different cultures. You can also see in a couple of those articles that even present-day man varies as much as these fossils do.
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FondueDaredevil · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:46 am Post subject:

MasterOfTheHat · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:51 am Post subject:

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:59 am Post subject:

Mord · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:07 am Post subject:

the twinkster · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:08 am Post subject:

That first part is why I said "when applied correctly," AYB. Smile

As to time being a constant... er... I don't see (from a relativistic physics standpoint) how it could ever be anything else within the reference frame of the Earth. Confused

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FondueDaredevil · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:11 am Post subject:

HitScan · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:21 am Post subject:

One also has to realise that for people who don't actually use radiometric dating, that "Carbon Dating" is the "Kleenex" of the radiometric dating world. It's not all carbon dating anymore than all the tissues are kleenex, but if you ask someone about it, carbon is what you're going to hear. Smile

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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:29 am Post subject:

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Just to provide some much needed perspective:

MasterOfTheHat · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:36 am Post subject:

the twinkster · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:55 am Post subject:

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kingpinmc · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:03 am Post subject:

kingpinmc · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:05 am Post subject:

OH, and AYB....

Can you make it 5PM CST? I'm ready to go home.
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Maxi Does Dallas?

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Thundar · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:07 am Post subject:

MasterOfTheHat · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: