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FondueDaredevil
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 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: Microsoft fucked in the ass by Eolas for a half billion $$ |
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Supreme Court Rejects Microsoft Appeal in Eolas Case
Why are they being fucked?
Apparently the founder of Eolas owns a patent on "a system allowing a user of a browser program ... to access and execute an embedded program object." Too bad, Microsoft should have got Slashdot on the case, they would have found prior art! 
Hey, JR, the poll is borken!
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HitScan
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I don't have much opinion on whether or not they deserve to lose money over anything (the cost of business today is not hard work, it's hard working lawyers) but I'm not real happy that they lost. Because it upholds this entirely too broad junk patent, which will only make things worse for everyone. 
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Magus
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That suit is about as intelligent as suing McDonald's for *gasp* making the coffee hot.
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1 The Network is my domain, I shall not want; 2 though it makes me wait upon collision, it leads me to the Internet; 3 it restores my connection. It leads me in paths of hypertext transfer for google's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of power failures, I fear no data corruption; for backups art with me; thy UPS and thy status light, they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a firewall before me in the presence of my enemies; thou anointest my CD-R with BurnProof, my buffer never underflows. 6 Surely good deals and pr0n shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the Datacenter for ever.
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Jeremy Reimer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Microsoft fucked in the ass by Eolas for a half billion |
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| FondueDaredevil wrote: |
Hey, JR, the poll is borken! |
How?
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Jay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah a lot of people are going to get screwed by this Eolas company now. I bet they sue Apple, Opera and Netscape next. |
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OscarWilde
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Some of these patents are completely absurd if not vague and ambiguous. The patent dept. in the US needs to really evaluate how they go about awarding patents.
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I don't know what the actual description of the patent is (beyond what I quoted above), and it's unwise to base one's opinion on that little snippet alone, but seriously, what does that mean? What is Java then? Or what is Macromedia Flash/Shockwave? What does MS have to do with this more then anyone else? I don't get it.
It's like the other absurd patent lawsuits that have been thrown about the last many months. Creative, MS, Apple, they're all guilty of this. So the way I see it, either the corporations start to lobby for better patent scrutiny, or THEY keep suing each other for the lamest 'patents' and get what they deserve in the end.
Personally, I don't care, which is why I voted for 'I don't care', and to show that the polls here on OSY does work.
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HitScan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| What does MS have to do with this more then anyone else? I don't get it. |
They mad ea browser that allows other programs to be embedded within it, which is what violates the patent as far as I am aware. In the very worst case scenario, they are able to go after macromedia etc. but in such a case it makes the most sense to go after MS, because they've got the fat cash, and then pick off any others they can get to.
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MasterOfTheHat
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| it makes the most sense to go after MS, because they've got the fat cash, and then pick off any others they can get to. |
It's sad that our society is degraded to such a level that we will do anything and hurt anyone just to make our pockets a little fatter...
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kingpinmc
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Just think... Microsoft will be spending more money on lawyers instead of good programmers. It's just like society screamin at making their product more secure, so what do they do? Come up with OneSource. And what does society do? Sue them. gg Symantec
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Jeremy Reimer
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The Eolas case really explains why Microsoft has been so crazy to get as many software patents as they can over the last few years. If they don't, they'll just end up bleeding billions of dollars to any two-bit outfit with a lawyer.
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Magus
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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more money than any robber with a mask and gun.
Old saying, but oh so true.
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<Paolo|Work> anything that has to do with Java is by definition stupid
1 The Network is my domain, I shall not want; 2 though it makes me wait upon collision, it leads me to the Internet; 3 it restores my connection. It leads me in paths of hypertext transfer for google's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of power failures, I fear no data corruption; for backups art with me; thy UPS and thy status light, they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a firewall before me in the presence of my enemies; thou anointest my CD-R with BurnProof, my buffer never underflows. 6 Surely good deals and pr0n shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the Datacenter for ever.
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Wilde is a 4' chinese man in a bright pink tutu, lime green pimp hat with peacock feathers, and a purple feather boa, wearing tissue stuffed snakeskin combat boots, holding a gun bigger than he is, smoking a cigarette in the parking garage, trying to look menacing while pouting and head banging to Godsmack I stand alone |
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FondueDaredevil
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| Jeremy Reimer wrote: |
| The Eolas case really explains why Microsoft has been so crazy to get as many software patents as they can over the last few years. If they don't, they'll just end up bleeding billions of dollars to any two-bit outfit with a lawyer. |
I guess that was what I was trying to say.
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"I call on those who question the motives of the president and his national security advisers to join with the rest of America in presenting a united front to our enemies abroad." Sen. Dick Durbin, 1998
"There's no set architecture in Linux. All roads lead to madness" - William Hilf, Microsoft homonculous
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Riso
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| Magus wrote: |
A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more money than any robber with a mask and gun.
Old saying, but oh so true. |
But there's no glory to be gained if you do it lawyer style.
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AlphaMeridian
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| HitScan wrote: |
| I don't have much opinion on whether or not they deserve to lose money over anything (the cost of business today is not hard work, it's hard working lawyers) but I'm not real happy that they lost. Because it upholds this entirely too broad junk patent, which will only make things worse for everyone. |
Agreed. I'm not at all sold on the idea of the "software patent".
Although, if I have to work in the system, what I need to do is go back in time, and patent the linked list. Then I could sue EVERYBODY.
-Alpha
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