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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: Apple goes Intel

Things I never thought I'd see:

1. Steve Jobs using SpecInt benchmarks to "prove" that Intel chips are 4x as fast as the G4 in the top-end PPC Powerbook.

2. Steve Jobs saying "We're kind of done with Power..."

3. The iMac P4.

Are any other manufacturers shipping dual-core Intel notebooks? I want to do a straight-up price comparison, feature for feature. I think that would be really neat.

And what will become of the poor Mac mini? Steve just said that the G4 sucks donkey eggs! Who would buy one now?
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Magus · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject:

If Maclots aren't used to Steve kicking them in the teeth by rendering their current hardware utterly obsolete by now...
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kingpinmc · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject:

And does the price point go down any? Heck No!
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the twinkster · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject:

The iMac got a Core Duo as well, JR, not a P4.
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Mord · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject:

Indeed. Isn't the MacBook also running the core duo?

So I'm reading about the MacBook, and I'm sort of drooling, and then I remember that my 17" Powerbook is set to arrive any day now.....

At least the MacBook isn't yet available with a 17" screen, or I'd be kind of dissappointed.
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the twinkster · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject:

I suspect Apple's product matrix will look like this in the Intel future:

Mac Mini
iMac
Mac Pro (?)

iBook
MacBook Pro (ugh, ugh, ugh)

What horrible names. The PowerBook and Power Mac brands were strong, they didn't need to be retired... particularly for such asstarded names as "MacBook Pro."
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Mord · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject:

MacBook is a bit silly, but I think it'll grow on people. Powerbook was pretty slick tho.

But look at the bright side, at least people with thick Scottish accents won't be calling them Poo-erbooks any more....
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HitScan · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject:

I was reading the coverage and almost collapsed from an acute shadenfreude reaction. I don't really have much against Apple the company, but the fact that many of the Die Hard Believers are weeping softly into their crumpled berets leaves me giggling like a schoolgirl.

That said, I'd like one of each*, PPC and CD**. Very Happy

*Gotta catch 'em all! Laughing

(note to self: make more money before collecting expensive stuff. Sad

)

**So are people going to call Core Duo things CD? It's not like we can call it a P6 or whatever...
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Count_Blah · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

I was drooling when the website went up To bad i'm too poor to get one...
At least my iBook is quite reliable, but I saving for my next one...

I really want the new MacBook pro. It will spank my iBook so hard that it will probably be still alive when poops it out when eaten.
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Riso · Commodore Joined: 28 Feb 2001 Posts: 3019

No, no, this was clearly an IMplosion, seeing that the center collapsed onto itself and all that.

I'd have prefered an intelbased macmini though Crying or Very sad

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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject:

Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:

Heh.

Imitation Gruel · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

If his head didn't explode over the initial announcement of Apple switching to x86 processors then I doubt it ever will.
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the twinkster · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject:

Yeah, JR, I have a Pentium 4 Intel Inside widget in my Dashboard, just kind of sitting around. Razz

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OscarWilde · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:28 am Post subject:

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Riso · Commodore Joined: 28 Feb 2001 Posts: 3019

Folks, the RDF is alive and kicking.
And it has grown stronger. I have definite proof of that.

Because...I had a dream.

And in this dream was Steve Jobs, and he was holding a keynote.
Now you say, that isn't anything special.

And you'd be right.

However, in this dream, I was Steve Jobs.
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Thundar · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:01 am Post subject:

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the twinkster · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:00 am Post subject:

OW, Apple's switch actually fucks me over pretty solidly. I bought my dual G5 with an eye toward getting in at the ground floor of Apple's next hardware generation; I expected to be able to take advantage of aftermarket upgrades for about as long as Power Mac G4 users have been able to. I was planning to keep this system for 5-7 years, with upgrades. As it turns out, the whole architecture went EOL almost immediately, and IBM appears to have very little interest in significantly developing the PPC970 line, let alone selling single chips to small vendors like Sonnet for processor upgrade kits. The market for PCI-X cards is also not exactly huge. To make matters worse for me, now that the market has settled on PCIe as the next standard (really, now it's the current standard), my AGP 8x slot is of limited usefulness.

Keep in mind that this computer cost CDN$3,000 without a monitor. I have a right to expect it to have a long useful life. If I wasn't so leery of Revision A Apple hardware after my double motherboard failure experience, I would seriously consider selling my dual G5 now and buying a MacBook Pro or the first "Mac Pro" release. As it is, I'm going to wait and see how easy it is to boot OS X on non-Apple hardware -- if it's easy, I'll think long and hard about building my own PC to run OS X.
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OscarWilde · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:41 am Post subject:

the twinkster · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:07 am Post subject:

I'm not just talking about processor upgrades, d00d. Who's going to bother writing PPC OS X drivers for -- say -- sound cards? Nobody, because the market is comprised of approximately me. Nobody's going to even manufacture actual PCI-X cards, so as PCIe takes over the market I'll have fewer and fewer choices.

Additionally, spending a significant sum on a hypothetical processor upgrade four years from now is still a lot cheaper than buying a whole new high-end computer. That option isn't going to be available to me, however.

I bought the G5 because I needed a powerful new machine and it was the roomiest Mac since the Quadra days in terms of expandability and upgradeability. I knew it wouldn't be as good as a PC in that regard, but as long as I wanted a Mac it was the best I could do. Now, however, Apple has destroyed whatever limited prospects there may have been.

I'm not sure it's fair to place the blame squarely on IBM, either, because competing with Intel in the commercial desktop sector requires huge capital for a very small return on investment (from IBM's perspective). I think IBM and Apple share the blame.

However, Phil Schiller confirmed yesterday that Intel Macs will be able to boot Windows (Vista, anyway) and Apple won't do anything to preclude that. This makes a hypothetical future Mac Pro much more appealing to me.
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Damn, after this and some of my other relationship salvations, I really have a huuuuge stockpile of date karma. Like stumbling into a professional dominatrix at a bookstore at the science fiction section while reaching for the same book kind of karma. -- Happysin, on Ars

Riso · Commodore Joined: 28 Feb 2001 Posts: 3019

You can still use plain old PCI cards in those PCI-X slots.
So bohoo and cry me a river.
PCI-X is used exactly for server stuff and that means diddly squat for 99% of all users anyway.
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"[...] we view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time."
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Mord · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:27 am Post subject:

Riso · Commodore Joined: 28 Feb 2001 Posts: 3019

I've no idea. It just "popped" into my head and I figured, "oh what the hell" it sounds..ok I have no idea what it sounds like, but an inner force made me do it.

I think it was Steve.
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"[...] we view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time."
- Gabe Newell