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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us
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 Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: Creationism, Stuffs, and Buebonic Plague |
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Black Death was *not* caused by Buebonic as history has up to this point taught us. It's true. There's just no way that AYB can see it.
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Wasn't the Plague caused by fleas, on rats, in *VERY VERY UNCLEAN* living conditions?
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Wasn't it the socalled Spanish influenza?
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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us
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| Wasn't the Plague caused by fleas, on rats, in *VERY VERY UNCLEAN* living conditions? |
Buebonic is indeed a bacterial infection spread by the rat flea, which is why AYB doesn't think it could have caused the worst epidemic in recorded history. Black Death spread too fast even in rural areas where there just were very few rats. Rats would have had to scurry accross Europe in a well timed relay race coreographed by the Pied Piper in order to spread as fast (5km/day) as Black Death did.
Also, there is no mention at all of *rats* being the cause or vector of the disease back in the 1300s. Doctors back then may have been quite superstitious, but they could also see rats. AYB thinks that the interaction between midieval peoples and rats is vastly over stated. There is likely a similar people/rat ratio in most cities in the world right now than there was in 14th century Paris or London, and how often do people today come into contact with the environs of a rat?
Also, strangely enough, there were death records kept in many cities decimated by the Black Death, and it's apparent that by looking at dates of death, that the infection spread by social relations. A disease spread by pests would not likely do this. Black Death seems to be more of an unknown Virus like Ebola with a three week incubation time where the victim is contagious.
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This and other statistics can be culled from Jeremy Reimer's Personal Computer Market Share: 1975-2002, a very impressive piece of information gathering. The numbers tell some very interesting stories.
- http://lowendmac.com/musings/03/0131.html
Man, I need to get out more. You know smam is getting to you when you go to a canadian restaurant and start wondering about moose cock. -OscarWilde
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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us
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Even if the Bible says that god created man, does not make it true.
Afterall, it also implies that the sun revolves around Earth and that was already debunked by the old Greeks. |
The Bible never actually implies the mechanics of the planets, only the order of the formation of it.
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The Pope is not the leader of the Christian world, just the largest Sect of it. Also, the Big Bang is just a theory based on the observation that the Universe appears to be expanding (and is. AYB put up markers to measure one time).
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This and other statistics can be culled from Jeremy Reimer's Personal Computer Market Share: 1975-2002, a very impressive piece of information gathering. The numbers tell some very interesting stories.
- http://lowendmac.com/musings/03/0131.html
Man, I need to get out more. You know smam is getting to you when you go to a canadian restaurant and start wondering about moose cock. -OscarWilde
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Imitation Gruel
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| There is likely a similar people/rat ratio in most cities in the world right now than there was in 14th century Paris or London, and how often do people today come into contact with the environs of a rat? |
Much more often then they'd like, probably. From horrifying personal experience, it doesn't take a lot to attract the fuckers, and once they're in a place it's very tough to get rid of them. And they can be very brazen. *shudder*
<-- IG, who believes all rodents are vermin and will not change his mind even with credible evidence so don't waste your time.
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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us
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| There is likely a similar people/rat ratio in most cities in the world right now than there was in 14th century Paris or London, and how often do people today come into contact with the environs of a rat? |
Much more often then they'd like, probably. From horrifying personal experience, it doesn't take a lot to attract the fuckers, and once they're in a place it's very tough to get rid of them. And they can be very brazen. *shudder*
<-- IG, who believes all rodents are vermin and will not change his mind even with credible evidence so don't waste your time.
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What are your views on cats, especially soft, fuzzy ones?
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This and other statistics can be culled from Jeremy Reimer's Personal Computer Market Share: 1975-2002, a very impressive piece of information gathering. The numbers tell some very interesting stories.
- http://lowendmac.com/musings/03/0131.html
Man, I need to get out more. You know smam is getting to you when you go to a canadian restaurant and start wondering about moose cock. -OscarWilde
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Imitation Gruel
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| There is likely a similar people/rat ratio in most cities in the world right now than there was in 14th century Paris or London, and how often do people today come into contact with the environs of a rat? |
Much more often then they'd like, probably. From horrifying personal experience, it doesn't take a lot to attract the fuckers, and once they're in a place it's very tough to get rid of them. And they can be very brazen. *shudder*
<-- IG, who believes all rodents are vermin and will not change his mind even with credible evidence so don't waste your time.
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What are your views on cats, especially soft, fuzzy ones?
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I love cats, but I'm very allergic. So I can't have one.
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Imitation Gruel
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the twinkster
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Even if the Bible says that god created man, does not make it true.
Afterall, it also implies that the sun revolves around Earth and that was already debunked by the old Greeks. |
The Bible never actually implies the mechanics of the planets, only the order of the formation of it.
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I believe Riso was referring to the passage where god "makes the Sun stand still in the sky." If the passage is figurative and god actually stopped the rotation of the Earth, there is no inconsistency.
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MasterOfTheHat
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I thought it was started by rats and perpetuated by by social interaction? All it would take was one infected flea/tick to bite a human or a couple of humans to start the chain-reaction.
And the human/rat ratio is probably similar to that of the Black Death era, but technology in homes and buildings as a whole has drastically changed, as have medical advances, so...
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Mord
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| Imitation Gruel wrote: |
| Wasn't the Plague caused by fleas, on rats, in *VERY VERY UNCLEAN* living conditions? |
No, it was caused by dumping shit in the streets. Completely different.
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and how often do people today come into contact with the environs of a rat? |
Cleanliness and conditions in general are a lot different these days.
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Ring around the rosies,
Pocket full of Posies.
Upstairs, Downstairs,
They all fall down.
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I love cats, but I'm very allergic. So I can't have one.
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I don't like cats, _and_ I'm allergic, so it works out fine. 
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AMEN!
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Maxi Does Dallas?
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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us
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| AllYorBaseRBelong2Us wrote: |
| Riso wrote: |
Even if the Bible says that god created man, does not make it true.
Afterall, it also implies that the sun revolves around Earth and that was already debunked by the old Greeks. |
The Bible never actually implies the mechanics of the planets, only the order of the formation of it.
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I believe Riso was referring to the passage where god "makes the Sun stand still in the sky." If the passage is figurative and god actually stopped the rotation of the Earth, there is no inconsistency.
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In another few smamillion-odd years, AYB thinks this is supposed to actually happen due to Tidal Breaking
Also, one huge problem with biblical language is a cultural meme issue of vast proportions. Western languages are very structural and sequential. Occidental languages (like Aramiac, Hebrew, Dreethan) are very wound into metaphore, or something like that. Let AYB draw your attention to that one episode of Star Trek-The Next Generation involving Picard's telling of The Epic of Gilgemesh or some stuff.
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This and other statistics can be culled from Jeremy Reimer's Personal Computer Market Share: 1975-2002, a very impressive piece of information gathering. The numbers tell some very interesting stories.
- http://lowendmac.com/musings/03/0131.html
Man, I need to get out more. You know smam is getting to you when you go to a canadian restaurant and start wondering about moose cock. -OscarWilde
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Mord
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I love cats, but I'm very allergic. So I can't have one.
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I don't like cats, _and_ I'm allergic, so it works out fine.
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My original post said "hate", but I editted it. And that's because hate for me means that I will make effort (possibly even go out of my way) to express my hatred on cats. Which I don't do. They have a right to strut around and be all arrogant and pissy and whatever. And if that floats your boat, feel free. But I don't hate them. I'm not bitter. I just don't like them. And the way they look at me. Stop fucking looking at me. STOP IT STOP IT I"M GOING TO FUCKING KILL YOU DKFLJDSF :"DS?
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Nonsense. "Bias" is people whom don't agree with me. - FondueDaredevil
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Riso
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Let AYB draw your attention to that one episode of Star Trek-The Next Generation involving Picard's telling of The Epic of Gilgemesh or some stuff.
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Shaka, when the walls have fallen.
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| My original post said "hate", but I editted it. And that's because hate for me means that I will make effort (possibly even go out of my way) to express my hatred on cats. Which I don't do. They have a right to strut around and be all arrogant and pissy and whatever. And if that floats your boat, feel free. But I don't hate them. I'm not bitter. I just don't like them. And the way they look at me. Stop fucking looking at me. STOP IT STOP IT I"M GOING TO FUCKING KILL YOU DKFLJDSF :"DS? |
Good choice that. Hate is such a waste of energy.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Creationism, Stuffs, and Buebonic Plague |
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Black Death was *not* caused by Buebonic as history has up to this point taught us. It's true. There's just no way that AYB can see it.
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Wikipedia tells us this:
Historical records attribute the Black Death to an outbreak of bubonic plague, an epidemic of the bacterium Yersinia pestis spread by fleas with the help of animals like the black rat (Rattus rattus), although today's experts debate both the microbiological culprit and mode of transmission.
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Wikipedia makes arguments on the interweb so much less interesting, you know? It's like everyone has a full time personal research assistant. You can never tell how much people actually know and how much they're just sticking into Google. Rah!
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I love cats, but I'm very allergic. So I can't have one.
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I don't like cats, _and_ I'm allergic, so it works out fine.
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AMEN!
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My original post said "hate", but I editted it. And that's because hate for me means that I will make effort (possibly even go out of my way) to express my hatred on cats. Which I don't do. They have a right to strut around and be all arrogant and pissy and whatever. And if that floats your boat, feel free. But I don't hate them. I'm not bitter. I just don't like them. And the way they look at me. Stop fucking looking at me. STOP IT STOP IT I"M GOING TO FUCKING KILL YOU DKFLJDSF :"DS?
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/me hands Mord a big pointy stick
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For my fellow OSYers - You know you're addicted to programming when:"The people you respect most you have never physically seen or spoken to, but you always bow to their knowledge."
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Riso
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| Wikipedia makes arguments on the interweb so much less interesting, you know? It's like everyone has a full time personal research assistant. You can never tell how much people actually know and how much they're just sticking into Google. Rah! |
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Ring around the rosies,
Pocket full of Posies.
Upstairs, Downstairs,
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Anyone else know why the mighty Kingpin used this little quote here?
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the twinkster
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| In another few smamillion-odd years, AYB thinks this is supposed to actually happen due to Tidal Breaking |
Yeah, they even added a leap second this year to compensate for that. Craziness!
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Also, one huge problem with biblical language is a cultural meme issue of vast proportions. Western languages are very structural and sequential. Occidental languages (like Aramiac, Hebrew, Dreethan) are very wound into metaphore, or something like that. Let AYB draw your attention to that one episode of Star Trek-The Next Generation involving Picard's telling of The Epic of Gilgemesh or some stuff.
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Right! Keep in mind here that I actually speak Arabic, though my vocabulary has atrophied through disuse.  A good example is the oft-referenced verse in the Qur'an about martyrs being greeted in heaven by virgins -- the idea is that god, through Muhammad, describes heaven in terms that the audience (that being Muslim men in 600-700 AD) will understand. It is very difficult to properly interpret scripture -- or indeed writing in general -- without a cultural frame of reference.
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Damn, after this and some of my other relationship salvations, I really have a huuuuge stockpile of date karma. Like stumbling into a professional dominatrix at a bookstore at the science fiction section while reaching for the same book kind of karma. -- Happysin, on Ars
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Riso
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Forget the virgin thing. It's a mistranslation. It is actually grapes.
Why? Because that part is written in Arameic, not Arabic!
Those stupid bums read it in the wrong language!
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