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Whither be the Longhorn for which mine lonely heart yearns?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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June is coming to a close, and still no longporn!

I thought I posted this but apparently that was only on #osy:
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According to Muglia, Longhorn Server Beta 1 will ship this summer, just after Longhorn Client Beta 1, which is due in July.

Take it from me: Never ever depend on Microsoft actually making a date they set for a beta release. It almost never has happened on time Very Happy
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June is coming to a close, and still no longporn!

I thought I posted this but apparently that was only on #osy:
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According to Muglia, Longhorn Server Beta 1 will ship this summer, just after Longhorn Client Beta 1, which is due in July.

Take it from me: Never ever depend on Microsoft actually making a date they set for a beta release. It almost never has happened on time Very Happy
I understand; but the release date was initially 2004 so I thought they might make June of this year... Sad
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Hehehehehe.... just look back at the Beta period of NT5/Win2k for a better feel of what real delays are like! Very Happy
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Win2K was definitely worth the wait, so let's hope history repeats itself. Smile
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Win2K was definitely worth the wait, so let's hope history repeats itself. Smile
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/me pats FDD on the back

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/me waves Avalon shinies for FD Smile
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I just came to the realisation that I like pretty,elegant apps over bog standard ones.

So..OS X x86, bring it on!
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I traded the OS XP 64 for a 32 bit version, and the video card has no problems.

I now feel guilty about sending the motherboard back, without testing it myself, but, it's too late.

Guess I can build another box with it.

Could be the Nvidia 3 chipsets, and 64 bit windows are a no no. However,
I needed a 939 pin based motherboard, that has an agp slot for the ATI card, and, gigabyte only offers that with the Nvidia 3 chipsets.

The guys building the machine told me 50% chance of flashing the motherboard working. However, flashing the motherboard has resolved others problems with XP 64 bit. Stayed with the 1.5 bios, and, it's worked fine, with 32 bit windows.

So, now I will have two Nvidia 3 chipset motherboards....

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You should have gotten the MSI K8N(?) Neo2 Platinum. Best nforce 3 board.
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You should have gotten the MSI K8N(?) Neo2 Platinum. Best nforce 3 board.


I have to say, my guys love Gigabyte. I screwed the pooch on this one.

Still, that's life, and the other Gigabyte ultra board seems ok, but, I just ordered an LSI 320 card, and, a gig more of the same ram, to do ddr. So, we

will see, soon.


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I have to say, my guys love Gigabyte. I screwed the pooch on this one.

Are you Gordon Gecko or something with a team of people sitting around telling you what they like or don't like? My advice is this: Whatever you do - don't buy anything with a VIA made chip on it. Thats always a poor decision no matter who makes the motherboard Very Happy
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Yes, even if it's SuperMicro, Socrates. Trust me on this one.
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I have to say, my guys love Gigabyte. I screwed the pooch on this one.

Are you Gordon Gecko or something with a team of people sitting around telling you what they like or don't like? My advice is this: Whatever you do - don't buy anything with a VIA made chip on it. Thats always a poor decision no matter who makes the motherboard Very Happy


Wonderful thing the net. Yes, I do have a bunch of guys that make computers, who I've known on the net for, oh, 7 years, and we have a small forum, and they know a hell of a lot more about computers then I do.

Still, they put up with me, and I listen to them, most of the time. Actually, I'm really lucky, blessed, and thankful for their aid. Sometimes, when I have time, I can help on research tasks. But those times are rare.

One guy runs and owns, a gaming center, another works for some "beer company", that runs unreal numbers of dual cheetah boot workstations, like 105 of them, and stores incredible amounts of picture data, like in the terrabyte
range.
About 5 guys have their own shops, and tech support, and, they all help.

As for your VIA advice, that's the general thought, but, some of the VIA based chipsets have been fine, and one or two of the guys likes them.

Gigabyte did a Nvidia 3 board with a VIA chipset that has worked out well.

Anyway, I've never been a big fan, and, I bought a Supermicro, which uses the Intel E7505 chipset, and still supports AGP.

Nvidia's new chipsets are REALLY good, at least from everyone's comments.

Now if I can get the Cheetah in to boot from, waiting for scsi card, and, another matching gig of ram to enable ddr...

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HAHA! Posting for Longhorn build 5048! Thanks to someone pointing me to the torrent and the fact that I happen to have a DVD burner at work. She caused some problems off the start, but I figured out that she just didn't like the monitor. Now she's been running for a couple of days.

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HAHA! Posting for Longhorn build 5048! Thanks to someone pointing me to the torrent and the fact that I happen to have a DVD burner at work. She caused some problems off the start, but I figured out that she just didn't like the monitor. Now she's been running for a couple of days.

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HAHA! Posting for Longhorn build 5048! Thanks to someone pointing me to the torrent and the fact that I happen to have a DVD burner at work. She caused some problems off the start, but I figured out that she just didn't like the monitor. Now she's been running for a couple of days.

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Is it available on MSDN?

Not until maybe next month...
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I would imagine Beta 1 next month would hit MSDN in relatively short order. Its not worth installing 5048 now as Beta 1 is practically here.
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FondueDaredevil wrote:
Magus wrote:
Win2K was definitely worth the wait, so let's hope history repeats itself. Smile
My biggest sorrow is that they pulled everything I wanted to play with out of the OS! The new file system, the new display system, ... and one other thing I can't remember off the top of my head but I'm certain I'm sad because of it missing. Very Happy

Crying or Very sad

It's only the filesystem, and only for a couple of months, but you'll get goodies that you were not expecting, like.... Project-M.

Or something. No, forget I said anything. Yeah, nothing. I'm whistling. Firuli' firula'.. see? Just whistling. There's no Project-M. Never been. Possibly never will be. I mean, it's a silly name. Who would work on such a project? Not me for sure. Or you, gentle reader. Unless you are... I don't know, I don't know. Better stay quiet. Nobody ever got fired for being quiet. A time for quiet, silent contemplation. Yes, that's what this is. Quiet time. I don't even have a moped.
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Win2K was definitely worth the wait, so let's hope history repeats itself. Smile
My biggest sorrow is that they pulled everything I wanted to play with out of the OS! The new file system, the new display system, ... and one other thing I can't remember off the top of my head but I'm certain I'm sad because of it missing. Very Happy

Crying or Very sad
It's only the filesystem, and only for a couple of months, but you'll get goodies that you were not expecting, like.... Project-M.
They stated that the new graphical system, the new file system, and something I can't remember is quite neat were pulled so they could get longhorn out the door so it's not just the filesystem. I'll see if I can't find the press-release.

Anyhoo, Project-M isn't a huge secret considering I dont actively look for Microsoft insider information and I know about it. Every OS company has pie-in-the-sky projects that they work on but only pieces ever show up in the real OS releases.

Laughing I just realized that the filesystem is the one they've been trying to release since Cairo ... when was that, 1994? 1995?
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Two of the components--a presentation engine called Avalon and a Web services architecture called Indigo--are being pulled out of the next Windows release so they can be offered for both Longhorn and the current generation of Windows operating systems.

The third major component, a reworking of the Windows file system known as WinFS, has been delayed past Longhorn's release and is expected to be in beta testing when Longhorn ships. It is unclear when WinFS will be integrated into Windows itself.

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The third major component, a reworking of the Windows file system known as WinFS, has been delayed past Longhorn's release and is expected to be in beta testing when Longhorn ships. It is unclear when WinFS will be integrated into Windows itself.


So what the hell is Longhorn supposed to be then? If there is no Avalon, no Indigo and no WinFS, then what does Longhorn bring over XP?
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Two of the components--a presentation engine called Avalon and a Web services architecture called Indigo--are being pulled out of the next Windows release so they can be offered for both Longhorn and the current generation of Windows operating systems.

The third major component, a reworking of the Windows file system known as WinFS, has been delayed past Longhorn's release and is expected to be in beta testing when Longhorn ships. It is unclear when WinFS will be integrated into Windows itself.


So what the hell is Longhorn supposed to be then? If there is no Avalon, no Indigo and no WinFS, then what does Longhorn bring over XP?

Avalon and Indigo will still be in Longhorn on the first day, there's no "pulling out" happening Smile

Indigo was, since the beginning, destined to be released on all Windows versions, so nothing changed there (it's a communication API, so it makes sense to have reach). Avalon, on the other hand, was supposed to be Longhorn-only, but we (as we the developers) made enough of a stink that Microsoft decided to backport the API and part of the rendering engine down to Windows XP.
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And there's apparently a whole lot more coming in Longhorn. For example: Transactional NTFS, new rendering/compositing engine, stacks (or smart folders, or whatever they call it this week), new TCP/IP stack (IPv6 native), the newly announced RSS platform, Project-M, etc etc Smile
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Avalon and Indigo will still be in Longhorn on the first day, there's no "pulling out" happening Smile

Indigo was, since the beginning, destined to be released on all Windows versions, so nothing changed there (it's a communication API, so it makes sense to have reach). Avalon, on the other hand, was supposed to be Longhorn-only, but we (as we the developers) made enough of a stink that Microsoft decided to backport the API and part of the rendering engine down to Windows XP.


Interesting indeed. Makes sense then. How is XP going to get the new features? Service Pack? Then how is MS going to market Longhorn over XP SPx?
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